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A review by joshualeet697
Orb Sceptre Throne by Ian C. Esslemont
5.0
Wow. Really enjoying these side books. This was about a 4.5. I found it entertaining the whole time pretty much. Couple sloggy bits but nothing much to complain about. Can we have a Raest sitcom please?
I'm enjoying these more than the last 4 main series books, personally. I found they got too serious. I understand they needed to, but they got sloggy and dark and serious and I missed the extent of humor. These Esslemont books have a bit of humor here and there which I liked. Kruppe could have been better. I found him delightful but a bit underwhelming at times. I think Erikson did his humor a bit better.
I can't say much without spoiling things.
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So many scattered thoughts below as I try to piece together what I just spent 3 weeks reading, lol
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so as we know, Dassem Ultor is Traveler, who has now become the first, who also killed Anomander Rake. I didn't see him leading the Seguleh... that was a shock.
Tayschrenn coming back as some Zen Tayschrenn was a shock. But interesting.
I enjoyed the Leoman/Kiska bits, albeit the cave and such was a bit dry at times, but it created a tension that lead to them getting close. I found the shores of creation fascinating. I love a good mystery. The vitr. What a cool name. And finding Tayschrenn and that little flying thing bringing him back to himself... yet a new Zen self? what was that all about.
Loved the whole Indiana Jones plot down south at the "Spawns" with Antsy as "Red", and Corien Lim and Malakai and Orchid being ... what... a daughter of mother dark? Did I get that right? and the Seguleh there looking for something yet unwilling to actually look for it themselves and it ending up being ... I think it was.... the mask of the first! Not the gold mask of the tyrant! And the THRONE! There were times this plot slogged. But in the end it all made sense and I quite enjoyed it.
Okay... One thing I didn't like was I'm not sure I would have had such sympathy for the Seguleh who were SLAUGHTERING everyone with a vengeance. I'd probably have bombed them without remorse and thought about the consequences after. I found that odd. They are killing so many of your allies and friends..and you cry that you're bombing them? I mean, sure, it's horrific... but wtf is the alternative... let the seguleh cut you all down???
Also... what's with making all the women fat seemingly suddenly? is ICE trying to be fat positive or something... and what... K'rul is now a woman? Yet Taschrenn seems to merge with K'rul or something... I'm confused on that one. We're always lead to believe, if I recall, that K'rul was a male... not that it matters... just odd. Suddenly K'rul is a woman and all the woman in the book are fat? weird lol
I had to go to the forums to discover that apparently it was probably shards of Dragnipur that were used to make the "bolts" that killed the legate, when Scorch and Leff get arguing and accidentally shoot the legate... so decide to just keep shooting him... So was Kruppe relying on them to accidentally do this? I'm also a bit confused why the Legate allowed the pair to remain...
I feel that, in the face of the Moranth munitions, the Seguleh are kind of rendered.. obsolete... sure ... swords are great... but they can't dodge dropped bombs... Seems a silly oversight by the legate and the Seguleh.. You guys didn't think some kind of air defence was in order?
Also, I found that in Return of the Crimson Guard, ICE made the Crimson Guard a bit underwhelming in the end... similarly while the seguleh are impressed at swordplay... I felt they were ... diminished... by the munitions drop. And their customs didn't fit with modern times. They were very out of sync. Of course, that seemed on purpose. But I just felt we get these great amazing Seguleh, and some pretty awesome scenes... yet I felt a diminishment to the awe I had. Still love them. And I will say the Crimson Guard became very much more diminished for me with how many died in RotCG. Still love them though. Sorry side rant.
Rallick Nom - also love when he's in the book. Such a great character. Roof top combat at its finest.
Torvald Nom - Enjoyed his bits. He was kinda tossed into politics and flung around, but it worked for me. It was amusing that both him and Tissera kinda saved the city in their own ways.
Spindle - loved the bit with Caladan Brood and the kitten telling spindle to stop using his warren...
Envy - was just kinda there and didn't do much
Scorch and Leff - I think they're a silly goofy side diversion of comic relief which I enjoy at times. Many seem to hate them... I like them. They're silly. I enjoy silly characters. But them shooting the Legate... with those special bolts... I dunno...THAT was a stretch.
Legate - The scene in the underground with Ebbin at the beginning was horrifically amazing. The legate's death was ... I was confused at times to say the least.
Baruk - Barukanal - I hadn't realized that he was being "compelled" and that's probably why Vorcan had herself chained up, and why Kruppe's old lady witch friend was doing drugs or something.
Ebbin - A neat character. Shame what happened to him, becoming the mouthpiece, and maybe a bit crazy in the end, being sent to the Azath house to replace Chaur as Raests "boarder"... Raest needs a sitcom!
Vorcan punishing Taya... I'm confused. I don't always follow everything in these books so well with my middle aged memory.
Taya - locked up... okay... for how long...? Is this permanent?
Barathol Mekhar I like his character, not sure what to say, besides enjoying his plot somewhat. Kruppe giving him a Villa... I'm curious what it looks like now...
CHAUR! He's back! Yay. Big Chaur and little Chaur.
Jan he should be married to Palla clearly, lol. They were meant for each other. Very much enjoyed the evolving conflict in Jan, as the second. Was sad to see him challenged by Gall and stabbed in the side. Was a bit confused as to why Gall was horrified... didn't he win? Was in not an honorable win? I need to look into that more maybe. The Seventh ends up as the first... aka traveler... aka Dassem Ultor!
Lo and Sall...
Yusek I liked her plot, being made to lead the Seguleh to some temple. Meeting Lo and Sall. Maybe falling for Sall and he falling for her, in the end? maybe
Fist K'ess and Captain Fal-ej and their feelings... just get together already you two, haha
Aman killing Tserig was shocking and sad.
Aman tossed in the well? I saw this in a forum... hadn't realized that's who was tossed in the well...
Bauchelain and Korbal Broach... I love these characters... but felt much more could have been done with them in the book.
As far as how the story ended, I was mostly happy with it... A bit confused, but my online readings cleared up some of my confusions. This book was more heart warming than most generally are.
I'm enjoying these more than the last 4 main series books, personally. I found they got too serious. I understand they needed to, but they got sloggy and dark and serious and I missed the extent of humor. These Esslemont books have a bit of humor here and there which I liked. Kruppe could have been better. I found him delightful but a bit underwhelming at times. I think Erikson did his humor a bit better.
I can't say much without spoiling things.
SPOILERS BELOW:
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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SPOILERS BELOW
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.
.
.
.
SPOILERS BELOW
.
.
So many scattered thoughts below as I try to piece together what I just spent 3 weeks reading, lol
.
.
.
SPOILERS
.
so as we know, Dassem Ultor is Traveler, who has now become the first, who also killed Anomander Rake. I didn't see him leading the Seguleh... that was a shock.
Tayschrenn coming back as some Zen Tayschrenn was a shock. But interesting.
I enjoyed the Leoman/Kiska bits, albeit the cave and such was a bit dry at times, but it created a tension that lead to them getting close. I found the shores of creation fascinating. I love a good mystery. The vitr. What a cool name. And finding Tayschrenn and that little flying thing bringing him back to himself... yet a new Zen self? what was that all about.
Loved the whole Indiana Jones plot down south at the "Spawns" with Antsy as "Red", and Corien Lim and Malakai and Orchid being ... what... a daughter of mother dark? Did I get that right? and the Seguleh there looking for something yet unwilling to actually look for it themselves and it ending up being ... I think it was.... the mask of the first! Not the gold mask of the tyrant! And the THRONE! There were times this plot slogged. But in the end it all made sense and I quite enjoyed it.
Okay... One thing I didn't like was I'm not sure I would have had such sympathy for the Seguleh who were SLAUGHTERING everyone with a vengeance. I'd probably have bombed them without remorse and thought about the consequences after. I found that odd. They are killing so many of your allies and friends..and you cry that you're bombing them? I mean, sure, it's horrific... but wtf is the alternative... let the seguleh cut you all down???
Also... what's with making all the women fat seemingly suddenly? is ICE trying to be fat positive or something... and what... K'rul is now a woman? Yet Taschrenn seems to merge with K'rul or something... I'm confused on that one. We're always lead to believe, if I recall, that K'rul was a male... not that it matters... just odd. Suddenly K'rul is a woman and all the woman in the book are fat? weird lol
I had to go to the forums to discover that apparently it was probably shards of Dragnipur that were used to make the "bolts" that killed the legate, when Scorch and Leff get arguing and accidentally shoot the legate... so decide to just keep shooting him... So was Kruppe relying on them to accidentally do this? I'm also a bit confused why the Legate allowed the pair to remain...
I feel that, in the face of the Moranth munitions, the Seguleh are kind of rendered.. obsolete... sure ... swords are great... but they can't dodge dropped bombs... Seems a silly oversight by the legate and the Seguleh.. You guys didn't think some kind of air defence was in order?
Also, I found that in Return of the Crimson Guard, ICE made the Crimson Guard a bit underwhelming in the end... similarly while the seguleh are impressed at swordplay... I felt they were ... diminished... by the munitions drop. And their customs didn't fit with modern times. They were very out of sync. Of course, that seemed on purpose. But I just felt we get these great amazing Seguleh, and some pretty awesome scenes... yet I felt a diminishment to the awe I had. Still love them. And I will say the Crimson Guard became very much more diminished for me with how many died in RotCG. Still love them though. Sorry side rant.
Rallick Nom - also love when he's in the book. Such a great character. Roof top combat at its finest.
Torvald Nom - Enjoyed his bits. He was kinda tossed into politics and flung around, but it worked for me. It was amusing that both him and Tissera kinda saved the city in their own ways.
Spindle - loved the bit with Caladan Brood and the kitten telling spindle to stop using his warren...
Envy - was just kinda there and didn't do much
Scorch and Leff - I think they're a silly goofy side diversion of comic relief which I enjoy at times. Many seem to hate them... I like them. They're silly. I enjoy silly characters. But them shooting the Legate... with those special bolts... I dunno...THAT was a stretch.
Legate - The scene in the underground with Ebbin at the beginning was horrifically amazing. The legate's death was ... I was confused at times to say the least.
Baruk - Barukanal - I hadn't realized that he was being "compelled" and that's probably why Vorcan had herself chained up, and why Kruppe's old lady witch friend was doing drugs or something.
Ebbin - A neat character. Shame what happened to him, becoming the mouthpiece, and maybe a bit crazy in the end, being sent to the Azath house to replace Chaur as Raests "boarder"... Raest needs a sitcom!
Vorcan punishing Taya... I'm confused. I don't always follow everything in these books so well with my middle aged memory.
Taya - locked up... okay... for how long...? Is this permanent?
Barathol Mekhar I like his character, not sure what to say, besides enjoying his plot somewhat. Kruppe giving him a Villa... I'm curious what it looks like now...
CHAUR! He's back! Yay. Big Chaur and little Chaur.
Jan he should be married to Palla clearly, lol. They were meant for each other. Very much enjoyed the evolving conflict in Jan, as the second. Was sad to see him challenged by Gall and stabbed in the side. Was a bit confused as to why Gall was horrified... didn't he win? Was in not an honorable win? I need to look into that more maybe. The Seventh ends up as the first... aka traveler... aka Dassem Ultor!
Lo and Sall...
Yusek I liked her plot, being made to lead the Seguleh to some temple. Meeting Lo and Sall. Maybe falling for Sall and he falling for her, in the end? maybe
Fist K'ess and Captain Fal-ej and their feelings... just get together already you two, haha
Aman killing Tserig was shocking and sad.
Aman tossed in the well? I saw this in a forum... hadn't realized that's who was tossed in the well...
Bauchelain and Korbal Broach... I love these characters... but felt much more could have been done with them in the book.
As far as how the story ended, I was mostly happy with it... A bit confused, but my online readings cleared up some of my confusions. This book was more heart warming than most generally are.